diff --git a/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/applications.ts b/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/applications.ts
index 7eeda01f0e..53679e0bed 100644
--- a/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/applications.ts
+++ b/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/applications.ts
@@ -33,13 +33,21 @@ export default class AppApi {
 
   async canRender(): Promise<[Response, boolean]> {
     const response = await this.api.get("/routing/client")
+    expect(response).toHaveStatusCode(200)
     const json = await response.json()
     const publishedAppRenders = Object.keys(json.routes).length > 0
-    expect(response).toHaveStatusCode(200)
     expect(publishedAppRenders).toBe(true)
     return [response, publishedAppRenders]
   }
 
+  async failRender(): Promise<[Response, responseMessage]> {
+    const response = await this.api.get("/routing/client")
+    const json = await response.json()
+    expect(response).toHaveStatusCode(404)
+    return [response, json]
+  }
+
+
   async getAppPackage(appId: string): Promise<[Response, AppPackageResponse]> {
     const response = await this.api.get(`/applications/${appId}/appPackage`)
     const json = await response.json()
diff --git a/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/fixtures/applications.ts b/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/fixtures/applications.ts
index 200aa9abff..0ce69bb889 100644
--- a/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/fixtures/applications.ts
+++ b/qa-core/src/config/internal-api/fixtures/applications.ts
@@ -1,7 +1,9 @@
 import generator from "../../generator"
 import { Application } from "@budibase/server/api/controllers/public/mapping/types"
+import { Template } from "@budibase/types"
+import { App } from "@budibase/types"
 
-const generate = (
+export const generateApp = (
   overrides: Partial<Application> = {}
 ): Partial<Application> => ({
   name: generator.word() + generator.hash(),
@@ -9,4 +11,15 @@ const generate = (
   ...overrides,
 })
 
-export default generate
+// Applications type doesn't work here, save to add useTemplate parameter?
+export const appFromTemplate = (): any => {
+  return ({
+    name: generator.word(),
+    url: `/${generator.word()}`,
+    useTemplate: "true",
+    templateName: "Near Miss Register",
+    templateKey: "app/near-miss-register",
+    templateFile: undefined,
+  })
+}
+
diff --git a/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/applications/applications.spec.ts b/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/applications/applications.spec.ts
index c7738152c4..2f0cdef411 100644
--- a/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/applications/applications.spec.ts
+++ b/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/applications/applications.spec.ts
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ import TestConfiguration from "../../../config/internal-api/TestConfiguration"
 import { Application } from "@budibase/server/api/controllers/public/mapping/types"
 import { db } from "@budibase/backend-core"
 import InternalAPIClient from "../../../config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/InternalAPIClient"
-import generateApp from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/applications"
+import { generateApp, appFromTemplate } from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/applications"
 import generator from "../../../config/generator"
 import generateScreen from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/screens"
 
@@ -18,16 +18,7 @@ describe("Internal API - Application creation, update, publish and delete", () =
     await config.afterAll()
   })
 
-  async function createAppFromTemplate() {
-    return config.applications.create({
-      name: generator.word(),
-      url: `/${generator.word()}`,
-      useTemplate: "true",
-      templateName: "Near Miss Register",
-      templateKey: "app/near-miss-register",
-      templateFile: undefined,
-    })
-  }
+
   it("Get applications without applications", async () => {
     await config.applications.fetchEmptyAppList()
   })
@@ -59,8 +50,7 @@ describe("Internal API - Application creation, update, publish and delete", () =
 
   it("Publish app", async () => {
     // create the app
-    const appName = generator.word()
-    const app = await createAppFromTemplate()
+    const app = await config.applications.create(appFromTemplate())
     config.applications.api.appId = app.appId
 
     // check preview renders
diff --git a/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/screens/screens.spec.ts b/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/screens/screens.spec.ts
index 1af13d0a11..1d2a21a8c7 100644
--- a/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/screens/screens.spec.ts
+++ b/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/screens/screens.spec.ts
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 import TestConfiguration from "../../../config/internal-api/TestConfiguration"
 import { App } from "@budibase/types"
 import InternalAPIClient from "../../../config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/InternalAPIClient"
-import generateApp from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/applications"
+import { generateApp, appFromTemplate } from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/applications"
 import { Screen } from "@budibase/types"
 import generateScreen from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/screens"
 
diff --git a/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/userManagement/appSpecificRoles.spec.ts b/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/userManagement/appSpecificRoles.spec.ts
index 3fb97cf847..cfdd75f82e 100644
--- a/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/userManagement/appSpecificRoles.spec.ts
+++ b/qa-core/src/tests/internal-api/userManagement/appSpecificRoles.spec.ts
@@ -1,11 +1,12 @@
 import TestConfiguration from "../../../config/internal-api/TestConfiguration"
 import { Application } from "@budibase/server/api/controllers/public/mapping/types"
 import InternalAPIClient from "../../../config/internal-api/TestConfiguration/InternalAPIClient"
-import generateApp from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/applications"
+import { generateApp, appFromTemplate } from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/applications"
 import { generateUser } from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/userManagement"
 import { User } from "@budibase/types"
 import { generateNewColumnForTable, generateTable } from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/table"
 import generateScreen from "../../../config/internal-api/fixtures/screens"
+import { db } from "@budibase/backend-core"
 
 describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
     const api = new InternalAPIClient()
@@ -26,7 +27,7 @@ describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
         expect(appUser[0].admin?.global).toEqual(false)
         const [createUserResponse, createUserJson] = await config.users.addMultiple(appUser)
 
-        const app = await config.applications.create(generateApp())
+        const app = await config.applications.create(appFromTemplate())
         config.applications.api.appId = app.appId
 
         const [userInfoResponse, userInfoJson] = await config.users.getInfo(createUserJson.created.successful[0]._id)
@@ -50,7 +51,10 @@ describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
         expect(adminUser[0].admin?.global).toEqual(true)
         const [createUserResponse, createUserJson] = await config.users.addMultiple(adminUser)
 
-        const app = await config.applications.create(generateApp())
+        //const app = await config.applications.create(generateApp())
+        //config.applications.api.appId = app.appId
+
+        const app = await config.applications.create(appFromTemplate())
         config.applications.api.appId = app.appId
 
         const [userInfoResponse, userInfoJson] = await config.users.getInfo(createUserJson.created.successful[0]._id)
@@ -66,6 +70,12 @@ describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
         expect(changedUserInfoJson.roles[<string>app.appId]).toBeDefined()
         expect(changedUserInfoJson.roles[<string>app.appId]).toEqual("ADMIN")
 
+        // publish app
+        await config.applications.publish(<string>app.url)
+        // check published app renders
+        config.applications.api.appId = db.getProdAppID(app.appId!)
+        await config.applications.canRender()
+
     })
 
     it("Add POWER user to app", async () => {
@@ -190,7 +200,9 @@ describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
                 true
             )
         })
+    })
 
+    describe("Screen Access for App specific roles", () => {
         it("Check Screen access for BASIC Role", async () => {
             const appUser = generateUser()
             expect(appUser[0].builder?.global).toEqual(false)
@@ -265,9 +277,7 @@ describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
 
         })
     })
-
-
-    describe.skip("App Access for custom roles", () => {
+    describe.skip("Screen Access for custom roles", () => {
         it("Custom role access for level 1 permissions", async () => { })
         it("Custom role access for level 2 permissions", async () => { })
         it("Custom role access for level 3 permissions", async () => { })
@@ -275,4 +285,4 @@ describe("Internal API - App Specific Roles & Permissions", () => {
         it("Custom role access for level 5 permissions", async () => { })
     })
 
-})
\ No newline at end of file
+})